WTF – The story of Jesus isn’t unique? Of course it isn’t.

The originality of Jesus

Who was the Son of the highest God, and the biggest healer in Antiquity? He healed the sick and even raised the dead. Hear and behold: former paralysed walked again, the blind could miraculously see again, and the deaf could listen and the mute speak after the Master’s gentle touch! But he did not only heal the body, he also healed the soul. They called him Saviour and Redeemer, and he healed both rich and poor, men and women, young and old, slaves and free men, friends and enemies. In one occasion a paralysed man was brough to him in his bed, and took his bed and left walking after the Saviour had touched him. What was this Saviour’s name?

Asklepios. (Reference: HERE) He was around from as early as 1500BC

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Who was born by a mortal virgin mother and had a divine Father, and was known as the “Saviour of the world”? Before he was born his parents wandered to a bigger town, and prophets had foretold his birth and that he would be a king. This instigated a search for the infant Saviour by a leading figure who wanted to kill him. After growing up the Son of God was shown all the kingdoms of the world from a high mountain. He also walked on water and when he met his end his mother and his favorite disciple stood by him. He then tells his mother: “Do not cry, I’m going to heaven”. When he dies he utter: “It is finished” and the earth trembles and darkness cover the land. Then he ascended to heaven, and his greatest achievement was to conquer death.

His name was of course…Hercules. (Reference: HERE) His Temple was built in 21BC

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We all of course know the Redeemer who was no figure of pagan Greek polytheism. He was the true Saviour who wanted to help and save the sinful humans, by sacrificing himself. But he was willing to do this, out of love, pity and compassion for the humans.

His name:…Prometheus.

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Now, who was the real Son of God, born by a mortal virgin mother, and often presented as the venerated newborn infant, or depicted riding a donkey? He healed the sick and did numerous wonders, among those making fine wine from plain water. He was killed but resurrected from the dead and became immortal. The followers of this God often ate a holy meal in a kind of sacramental union with the deity to achieve immortality after their death. One of this god’s finest achievements was his death, his sacrifice, which delivers the whole human kind.

The God was the very popular Dionysos.

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Who is the “Light of the World“, the One, the God who defeated death? Born of a virgin mother, considered the first true King by the people. Who rose from the grave and ascended to heaven. He defeated death, and must be considered the single true God.

Of course the Egyptian Osiris!

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Now, the real God often called the “Light of the world“, “The good shepherd”, “The lamb” and is “…the way, the truth, and the life“. Identified with a cross. Who could that be?

Horus, (the son of Osiris).

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The original “Light of the world” was the mediator between God and man and was born on the 25.th of December. Local shepherds witnessed his birth and gave him gifts. He had 12 disciples, and when his work was done on earth he gathered together to a last supper, and then ascended to heaven. At doomsday he will return to pass judgment on both the living and the dead. The righteous will go to heaven and the sinful will be killed in a giant fire. Sunday is his holyday, and this religion gave us the seven days of the week. His followers called each other “brothers” and their leaders “fathers”. They practiced babtism and established a sacred meal ritual, where flesh and blood was symbolically consumed by initiates. Above earth was heaven, and below the dark hell with demons and the sinners.

The ‘Light of the World’ is of course the sungod Mithra.

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Wise men were led to his birth by a star, and his conception was miraculous. After his birth the ruler in the area wanted him dead and started a hunt for the child. But his parents were warned by a heavenly messenger who told them to escape over the river with the holy child. Here, he was met by shepherds. His adoptive human father was a carpenter. The boy grew up and did many great deeds, and was the mediator between God and man.

His name: Krishna.

NOTE: Author Kersey Graves (1813-1883), a Quaker from Indiana, compared Yeshua’s and Krishna’s life. He found what he believed were 346 elements in common within Christian and Hindu writings. I’m aware that many of the connections are a stretch so I tried to only include ones that are agreed upon by other sources and historical archives. He also made connections between the virgin birth, the names of the mothers, and the date of their births. Those were shown later to be wrong.

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Who then, was the God whose mother was told by an angel that she would give birth to a holy child destined to be a Saviour? Even as a child he instructed the priests in the temple in religous matters, while his parents were looking for him. He started his religious career when he was ca 30 years of age, and surrounded himself with 12 disciples. One of the disciples is his favorite another is a traitor. He and his disciples abstain from wealth and travel around talking in parables and metaphors. This God called himself “Son of Man” and was referred to as “Prophet“, “Master” and “Lord“. He did many great wonders and healed the sick, blind could see again and deaf hear.
He also walked on water. When one of his disciples tried to do the same, he started to sink – his faith was not strong enough.

We are here obviously talking about Buddha.

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Our Saviour cannot be mistaken for any other. He performed countless miracles on earth, miracles well attested to by bystanders. He healed the sick and the crippled, restored sight to the blind, cast out demons, and even raised the dead! His birth was of a virgin, foretold by an angel. While still a child, he exhibited extraordinary knowledge of religious scripture. He reformed the corrupt and worldly religions of his day. He was crucified, rose from the tomb and appeared to his disciples to prove to them his power over death, after which he ascended to Heaven to sit at the right hand of the Father. He was known as “the Son of God!” His message is of love and compassion.

We give you: Apollonius of Tyana*

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And there is of course the God-man, the prophet, the founder of a great monotheistic religion that still exist today. He preached that there was only one true God, and his teachings focused on the eternal fight between good and evil. The teachings include the idea of the Saviour will wake the dead and pass judgment on all. The righteous ones goes to Paradise and the sinful straight to a burning Hell. The very word of Paradise stems from this religion. This semigod started his career in his early thirties, and had a following of disciples. As a band of monks they wandered around, preaching their religion. He was eventually killed and sent to heaven.

And he was the Persian Zarathustra.

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The problem for Jesus is that all these deities are much older than him. You don’t have to be very bright to see where the authors of the Gospels got their “divine inspiration” when they created the Jewish version of the popular God-Man/ World-Saviour of Antiquity.

 


This was inspired by this web page.
* The part about Apollonius is from the very same web page

  • http://stealthave.blogspot.com Stealth Avenue

    The "typical" response from Christians to these assertions isn't "wtf" but, rather, "That's just the devil trying to confuse us. He is the King of liars, after all."

    Sigh….

  • Arend

    I'm pretty sure the original scriptures suffice (ie. A book on the history of Greek mythology).

  • Adam

    @ Morrison: I can list all the sources, but I know you are doing that to be obtrusive, you don't really care or want the sources. You know what I am saying about Jesus is from the bible, but, to make you happy, I will post some links in there later with historical references… but like Arend said, you can find these things in most books about those deities and in Museums with religious artifacts. No historian denies that these religions pre-date Christianity.

    Trust me, I know the debates on both sides of this article. If you'll notice, I didn't write much on Horus, because, yes, many of the things claimed (like in the movie Zeitgeist) are stretches and can't be backed up by really strong evidence.

    What I listed in this article article are things that can be found in the historical record and agreed upon by numerous historians. There are more examples that are less strong, and I didn't include those.

    The point is that many of the aspects of the Jesus myth existed before his time in history. Even if some can be discounted, I've never seen a Christian discount them all… they just claim Satan planted those stories in history to make us doubt the validity of Jesus – that's really the best answer they've got.

    • Disappointed

      So I opened the Encyclopedia Britannica…
      You’re a magnificent storyteller.

  • Logan

    @Morrison well unlike trying to find evidence to a God, the historical evidence of these claims can actually be found and researched with the help of google and wikipedia. :)

    tl;dr: Your little jab was not very well thought out.

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  • Sam

    Certainly anthropologically the bible is a guide to basic morality and should be viewed as such, in general terms. Anyone who treats it as gospel is simply too shallow minded to dive deeper than being saved by grace and happy to continue to sin without recourse. Church should no longer be subsidized. This is the great realization of the age of aquarious upon us, I prophesy.

  • http://na free

    wow. this is great stuff. i used to be a buddist (due to my parents) then went agnostic during high school then finally an atheist since college. :)

    i've never looked back or have been happier in my life. i work with a bunch of people who claims to be 'christian' but really they're just going through the motion. they really don't believe that crap.

    i'm so glad i stumbled across this web site. :D

  • Richard

    Adam,

    I would too love to know exactly where you got this information from. I am a Christian so perhaps I will be biased, but then I also have a classical studies degree, and thankfully own works cataloguing the stories of Greek and Egyptian mythology from Doniger, Houtzager,and Buxton. For a start your section on Hercules is bizarre, and well, looks like you have entirely made it up. His mother was not a virgin, Zeus disguished himself as the King and visited her house to have sex with her.No need for biology 101 here- but that is the same as a virgin birth! He left her, there was no wandering of mother and father around, and no visit in any stories of Zeus moving to a bigger city! Neither was Hercules ever known as the 'saviour of the world. He was not called the Son of God (although granted he has half the prodigy of a deity). He didn't have disciples, he did not, in any account, finish his life by saying 'it is finished', and the earth trembling? Sorry where does that come from?

    You can check this by the way by looking at the main sources for Hercules online:

    http://www.theoi.com/Text/HesiodShield.html http://www.theoi.com/Text/Apollodorus2.html

    I would like to know exactly where you got your information from. Which books and scholars you consulted please. This is meant to be a place of reason, sober-research and integrity isn't it?

  • Adam

    @ Grady: I will get around to posting links to evidence in this later (to appease future doubters… not that it will make a difference for you). But, let's start with Hercules.

    "Just as we have a brief mention of Jesus by Joesphus in his Antiquities, Joesphus also mentions Hercules (more times than Jesus), in the very same work (see: 1.15; 8.5.3; 10.11.1). Just as Tacitus mentions a Christus, so does he also mention Hercules many times in his Annals. And most importantly, just as we have no artifacts, writings or eyewitnesses about Hercules, we also have nothing about Jesus. All information about Hercules and Jesus comes from stories, beliefs, and hearsay. Should we then believe in a historical Hercules, simply because ancient historians mention him and that we have stories and beliefs about him? Of course not, and the same must apply to Jesus if we wish to hold any consistency to historicity."http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

    As for Indian and Egyptian gods, there is plenty of evidence (and artifacts) that date their creation to before the creation of Jesus. Those stories were carved in stone. There is no way to prove beyond all doubt that the authors of the Jesus story knew the stories of these god and were guilty of plagiarism… but they would be the biggest coincidences in history if that claim were wrong.

    If you are trying to claim that ALL writings and evidence for these other gods came AFTER the story of Jesus, and they copied from him and not the other way around… well, then the burden of proof is on you since historians agree with me on my claim. Even if some details about those gods were "added" over time, like some of Jesus's story, there is no way they all were.

    So, we would be back to the original claim… the story of Jesus ISN'T unique and doesn't predate other similar god claims.

  • http://mike.shannonandmike.net Mike B.

    I don't think a request for sources (either links or book titles) is unreasonable, regardless of the requester's religious belief. Surely you're not using special pleading to exempt us atheists from providing evidence/source information? :)

    I have read a few random entries in Wikipedia (Hercules, Dionysos, and Asclepius) and I find very few references to the stories you are putting forward. I assume there are other resources out there that support the stories put forth?

  • Richard

    Adam,

    Sorry but Josephus never once refers to Hercules. He refers to buildings made to him, and quotes someone who talks about him.

    • Adam

      @ Richard: I looked it up in Antiquities, and you are right, so my apologies for taking that quote out of context. Neither that author or I believe the MAN Hercules (as we know him from the myths) is real, just as neither of us believe in the mythical Jesus (even if it is loosely based on a man named Jesus from around that time). But, there is also ample evidence that this is all Josephus refers to when talking about Jesus too – stories and second hand info.

      Evidence also suggests that the mentions of Jesus were added to Josephus's writings in later copies. As you read the context before and after the paragraphs praising Jesus, they seem completely contrary and not at all in line with fluid writing. Either way, the point is that Hercules (whom we all believe to be fake) and Jesus (who millions believe to be real) are on the same evidential footing (and are at best historical peers) yet are treated differently in literary reality. Do you want to debunk all the other examples I give too. As I said to someone on Reddit, I did rely on two other people's research for this, and the back up research is vast.

      Some (as well as the line about Josephus I used) came from http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm and it is a big list of sources. Scholars are starting to agree more and more that the historicity of Jesus may be based on very shaky evidence. Read David Fitzgerald's "NAILED" – he lays it out quite well.

      • Tim O'Neill

        "Scholars" are not agreeing "more and more that the historicity of Jesus may be based on very shaky evidence", though this is being peddled more and more by clumsy amateurs like Fitzgerald. The question is, why are supposed rationalists buying this flawed pseudo scholarship so readily instead of being sceptical of self-published books by hobbyists? For a detailed atheist critique of Fitzgerald's flawed little book see:

  • Adam

    @ Grady: Watch David's presentation (cut a little short) and tell me where you think he is historically inaccurate or without evidence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvleOBYTrDE&fe… His booked has 5-8pages of references by the way, from people more "scholarly" than him, that agree with his premise.

  • Johan

    //The problem for Jesus is that all these deities are much older than him.//

    Only if we presuppose that Jesus was not God, or that if he existed, he was only another human being who got lucky. The story becomes more complicated if we have to assume Jesus actually was God. If Jesus was God, this would mean his prophecy would have been around before he was born, like the prophecies were recorded in the Bible. Osiris could technically not predate Jesus if Jesus was God, rather if Jesus was God, Osiris would either be a false God, or it would be referring to the same God. If Jesus was God, it's prophecy would be the source for all other prophecies, would one seriously expect only one small country in the middle of nowhere to know about God's Son? If Jesus was God, we can expect universality, not the opposite. In fact, I would have been suspicious if only Israel knew anything about this Son of God. In the Bible, God calls Egypt "His people", now ask yourself, why would they know nothing of God or the then future coming of His Son if God would consider Egypt his people?

  • Richard

    Adam,

    Could you please give references. I am sorry to push you, but your presentation seems to be, well….made up. You seem like a nice guy, and perhaps you have been mislead by people you believed to be telling you the truth and knew what they were talking about; but surely a website that is all about questioning, sober-minded discussion and research, surely you either need to verify this bizarre account of ancient myths, or pull this page down- dont you?

    • Sugarsail1

      Check out some works of Joseph Campbell. His field was comparative mythology and was unique in that he viewed all myths not as mere works of fiction or concrete facts, but as meaningful allegory, while being courageous enough to include the Christian stories in there as well. When you compare all the world’s mythical/religious traditions you will find that the general motif of saviors (as well as other myths such as creation and apocalyptic floods) is essentially the same, inclusive of some sort of death/resurrection sequence and “World Redeemer” function. The names and places are different but the general story remains the same. It’s indicative of a heroic individual’s spiritual potential within a society that has gone astray and should be applicable and inspiring to all of us. Campbell was also famous for noting that, “mythology is another person’s religion,” underscoring the investment of the individual ego into a literal interpretation of a myth. The Greeks believed the literalness of their stories as much as Christians do theirs.

  • http://Volizden.Xanga.com Volizden

    Richard,

    You are being obtuse, How so?

    1. of all you are making demands of someone qwho is real busy in life I know he has a lot on his plate and trying to get these thing done Listing references requested after that fact is not highest among them..

    2. YOU can take the time to look these up yourself Quite simply and easily instead of badgering Adam about his reponse time toward you not meeting your satisfation.

    3. Accussing him of making shit up without yourself researching what you doubt on your own shows laziness and, combine with point 2, in my opinion, someone who would not take the sources seriously in the first place asw you are most likely a believer here to harass Adam because you feel your faith being "attacked".

    I apologize if I am wrong but doubt that very much

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  • Niharsarangi

    Krishna was not conceived of a virgin birth. Also as far as the texts are concerned, it never stated krishna having any disciple. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001723271173 Kyle Kefauver

      ^  Like Krishna REALLY “was”.

      FACT: The Flying Spaghetti Monster was INDEED born of a virgin!
      Put that in your Decepticon and smoke it.
      Love,
      The Lying Truth-seeker.m 

  • dug

    Test your faith. Read entire link. You may never believe in god again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAURq_ouYLc

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